I might have missed it, but no mention of _where_ data is stored in the FAQ and seems critically reliant on Cloudflare.
In a changing world, what's the selling point for those outside of the USA? Why would our company pick this over self-hosting when our country is threatened with American annexation almost weekly? If I go with Zulip, mattermost, rocket.chat, matrix, etc I introduce maintenance overhead but I don't have to worry about unstable politics or a disliked tweet getting us sanctioned and banished from American-hosted services. The chat platform we use internally is critical business infrastructure and so we're required to ask these kinds of questions for business continuity.
I was about to ask the same thing. I saw mentioning of gdpr, feels like at least some europeans are involved.
However: I don’t want to have my data in the US for at least 3 years. For businesses outside the US: they simply cannot have their data in US anymore.
Build european/non-us would be a great argument to use this product.
You've hit on a core part of our mission. We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought.
Two big things on the data front: 1. Local-First: Since the primary storage is on your own devices, you have much more direct control over your data custody than with traditional SaaS. 2. Regional Hosting: We'll be offering a choice of data residency. If you need your data to stay within the EU for compliance or security, you can simply toggle that.
I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it
Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month for unlimited egress. They provide 1-24 TB per month free unlimited but after that its capped at 100mbps for unlimited amount of time and I don't think that it could be an issue in this case? And you can always get more 3.50 euros servers to get more 100mbps unlimited so the possibilities are endless
OVH provides unlimited egress as well and OVH is another good bet. I love both for unlimited egress if what you are doing is very bandwidth intensive in the first place
Both are European. I have heard good things about scaleway too
Also searched bunny and looks like it provides some storage service too and unlimited egress to bunny cdn from that https://bunny.net/pricing/storage/
Looks neat.
If Dock runs on AWS or Cloudflare infra it is, by definition, a no go for me and many others here. Would like to get an answer on that.
FWIW: I use scaleway far a medium sized project and find it a good experience. Of course there are bugs and some things could be better. But support is good and the responses to bugs in their terraform provider are quick.
Also using bunny.net, happy so far.
Only thing I am missing is to create mailboxes (not transactional mail) on those two providers. I needed a third one for that.
Scaleway doesn't provide unlimited egress the last time I provided beyond 75 gigs if I remember correctly and scaleway feels great in some situations but I wouldn't try to force it in here if the project is bandwidth intensive.
I don't know but Upcloud gained my loyalty when I created my account and I don't have credit card but I could still use their service and go talk to their customer service for the 7 days my trial account is active and their support was so phenomenal and nice and just, man, They aren't kidding when they say that their support can have 1 minute times in things)
I do feel like Scaleway and Upcloud too might charge more than OVH and hetzner but they both have better support and long term its really worth it.
For what its worth, I really like scaleway's stardust servers as I had analyzed some servers in Lowendtalk and other websites etc. which had benchmarks and Scaleway's stardust development servers are one of the cheapest in the market for the development boxes but they are limited to 1/2 per account but I feel like scaleway does this to get people try scaleway in the first place and I do find this really fascinating idea and not many other do it.
EU cloud is definitely under-rated especially for egress related stuff (like this) because AWS,gcloud,Azure from what I hear costs like a bank of money for egress.
I do think that more people should evaluate the right option of cloud for their job using the right "tool" for the right job.
Glad that you liked scaleway tho. I haven't had experience with scaleway tho but I have heard that they have a good slack (ironic isn't it?) server where their devs are active.
Perhaps they will go to dock which might get one day hosted on scaleway, could be really cool :)
You guys are awesome! I hope you will succeed.
Any way to migrate my data from slack to Dock?
Their website describes a single click migration.
+1 Great stuff!
@dang the founder/op’s responses seem to be getting flagged erroneously
From the comments it looks like people are flagging them as AI content.
You've hit on a core part of our mission. We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought. Two big things on the data front: 1. Local-First: Since the primary storage is on your own devices, you have much more direct control over your data custody than with traditional SaaS. 2. Regional Hosting: We'll be offering a choice of data residency. If you need your data to stay within the EU for compliance or security, you can simply toggle that.
This response sounds very much like LLM. "You've hit on a core part of our mission.". lol
This rule of three structure too: "We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought."
This is a copy-paste from some sort of LLM, which doesn't inspire any confidence. Pasted it twice too
In terms of data sovereignty and security, the location of your servers is irrelevant if you're a U.S.-based company, thanks to the CLOUD act[1] (emphasis mine).
> The CLOUD Act primarily amends the Stored Communications Act (SCA) of 1986 to allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil.
So, are you a U.S.-based technology company?
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act?wprov=sfla1
Please respect the HN community and kindly disclose when you are using an LLM to respond to user feedback.
please don't reply to HN comments with AI responses