I'm still trying to put all the pieces together, but https://digipres.club/@discatte/115588660312186707 sure paints Adafruit as the bad party here, though I'm open to information which shows otherwise to understand better.
I'm still trying to put all the pieces together, but https://digipres.club/@discatte/115588660312186707 sure paints Adafruit as the bad party here, though I'm open to information which shows otherwise to understand better.
This adds some more context I guess https://chaos.social/@North/115605819126197877
Honestly the whole thing seems like everyone overreacting on both sides. Accusing someone is "doxing" because they used your first name?
The collections of threads, statements, and accusations on both sides are some of the most unhinged things I have seen in a while, and I don't think any of this helps anyone. :')
this all reads like a bunch of nerds with difficulties assessing on where to draw the line. Is it really that hard to figure out that neither registering a domain to meme a person, nor going on a spazz-posting spree and messaging folks over etsy DMs is considered normal, adjusted behavior??
I have to say; they all sound like whining babies with the emotional integrity of a 13 year old hormonal teenager.
And these people run major businesses?
And the complaining about doxxing because he posted the person's email address? Grow up, mate.
Over the years it’s kind of becoming clear that “running major businesses” is kind of orthogonal to “having emotional integrity”. In larger businesses it’s mediated by layers. But just take a look at some of the deranged tweetstorms we’ve become used to in recent times.
I believe they are claiming doxing based on connecting an email to a social media account.
Isn’t that a built in feature of most social media platforms?
Consensually, typically.
Really? Normally it's just like: "Can we access your contacts list so we can match your 'friends'?" And then you do it and it shows you the list of matches. It doesn't ask each individual "Hey, do you want to be matched to this person?" unless you try to friend them. Most ask you when you sign up and usually somewhere in the settings if you want to enable email matching for your account though. So if that's on it's kinda just part of the system unless you turn it off.
Buried in there is the Sparkfun guy did in fact register a vanity domain and stand up a site for the purpose of harassing the Adafruit guy.
Kind of shitty to play the victim at that point.
Is it? It was (as far we know) a mild shitpost of a public figure like from a decade ago. Photoshopping someones head over the Pepe Silva meme is not nice, but its hardly harassment. To me the "worst" thing was registering the domain, which he gave to Torrone and apologized quite well in my opinion https://gist.github.com/NPoole/d9aab9dfa2a18f4141039f7ce3505....
Sure, if this was a pattern of behavior it would be ridiculous to play the victim, but there isn't as far we know. 9 years later, Torrone starts Mullenweg-posting because some random criticized him for AI stuff. He posts their private email taken from a receipt and when blocked he continues with sock-puppets. Sparkfun guy gives a (quite measured) opinion colored by the fact that Torrone is still is doing this shit to random people. Torreone acusses the Sparkfun guy of being his personal Moriarty.
The most unhinged (and cowardly) thing to me is bringing up his partner and his newborn at every turn in his Twitter shitflinging, when any "slights" just seem only directed at him.
(Dude, if you are reading this just log off, this might literally just sleep deprivation. Take focus on caring of your child instead of fighting on the internet)
correct "the Sparkfun guy did in fact register a vanity domain and stand up a site for the purpose of harassing"
From the screenshots posted, you seem to be doing significantly more harassing. Or are those all fake?
That was a shitpost, it wasn't harassment.
And he apologized to you and handed the domain over to you.
And now you've decided, 8 years later, to blow up your relationship with a number of other folks in the industry, over a shitpost and some mild criticism?
Please, for the love of god, just drop this whole thing. Dredging this up from years ago has lost you a supplier of a popular product already, and a number of customers. I know a bunch of people who used to want to buy from the cool woman owned hacker manufacturer, and now won't touch it with a 10 foot pole after everything you've done.
And please, for the love of god, stop hiding behind Limor when people are criticizing you. You have repeatedly claimed that people are harassing Limor, when every single piece of criticism I've seen here has been directed at you or the Adafruit social accounts that you post through. And stop using your child as a shield as well.
You are a public figure, and sometimes people are going to disagree with you. They might find your use of GenAI image models to be problematic. They may find your over-hyping of drama happening in the open source hardware community to be a bit much. But you know what? That's OK. People can disagree with you, and make jokes about that disagreement.
But claiming that you are being harassed because people occasionally make a joke at your expense, blowing up relationships with your suppliers, driving away customers because you expose emails and deadnames (or legal names, in cases where people go by pseudonyms online), and doing it all while using your wife and child as a shield is not very professional behavior.
Step back, take a deep breath, pick your battles, own up to your mistakes, apologize for the places where you've gone wrong, and stop using your wife and child as a shield, and maybe you can repair some of this reputational damage. But you really need to get some distance from this.
This is how you’re coming off: https://imgur.com/a/hiUyh19
You really need to calm down and act more professional.
I don't have a bone in this race, but if someone has deliberately hidden their identity online, knowingly disclosing that is malicious, regardless of any other morality involved.
Consider people who have their public persona very deliberately obfuscated, like Banksy, or Chuck Tingle - it's very intentional that both of them do not disclose that, and if you found out either of their legal names, and disclosed it publicly, it would be with deliberate intent to subvert them.
Or consider if someone posted online they had a beer, and they lived somewhere that considered that an egregious crime even if they did it somewhere that it was legal. If you deliberately released proof that the person posting "I had a beer" was this person, it would have malicious intent, regardless of how you feel about the morality of beer.
> if someone has deliberately hidden their identity online, knowingly disclosing that is malicious
That argument breaks down if the person hiding their identity is doing malicious things. If you hide behind anonymity and you're harassing people and sending threatening or hateful messages, disclosing their real identity is a public service.
Or could I set up an anonymous account, doxx people all day long for the lulz, and then cry wolf when you doxx me for being a prick? :)
If someone punches you, and you punch them back, you're being hostile, but so are they, and a lot of people would say that was reasonable.
If you deliberately go find someone's secret that they hid after you think they hurt you, and disclose it, it's because you're trying to hurt them, justifiable or not.
People seem to throw the words "doxxing" and "harassing" very lightly these days, if you ask me, although I'll give that nobody in this whole mess seems to be capable of calm or even non-violent communication.
Reading this, it looks like everyone needs a break.
This whole thing just seems like two terrible people being terrible to each other and both vying for sympathy to be the less terrible person in this.
That looks like the usual social media victim style posting.