I love the phrase I heard recently: “software developers don’t understand consent”

It describes so much

When I, as a developer, was told (essentially forced if I wanted to keep my job) to implement dark patterns, I did it knowing I made the world worse. I was fully aware of it, and my coworkers as well, we discussed it openly, and I imagine everyone implementing such tech are. Of course I and other could claim plausible deniability, ”we didn’t understand consent”.

I hope one day there will be pushback on this from people like you, but when your boss has an economical stranglehold over you, not to mention the old adage 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it', it's understandable why we're in this situation.

Sales people don't understand it, not software developers.

If you are a software developer and you implemented that without question, you suck.

Which one invented "ask me again later" dialogs?

Sales people, and that shit rolled downhill to the devs. The days of devs writing dialog text in something like Windows are long gone.

What is the difference between software and car sales? The car sales knows when they are lying.

See Windows and Android. Blaming only the sales people is ... not helping.

Blaming the sales people is correct. Technically-minded people likely do know better, they just lack the authority to override the top-down administrative decisions.

I’d like to think that but the AI ppl on this website are something else

These problems are rampant enough in the OSS world too, never heard of an open source salesman.

Rms?

Software developers understand consent well but they understand dollar signs even better.

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