> from people who believe the tools are useless, the output is always unusable, people who mock any idea that operator skill has an impact on LLM output
You are attacking a strawman. Almost nobody claims that LLMs are useless or you can never use their output.
Those claims are all throughout this thread and in replies to my comments.
It’s not a strawman. It’s everywhere on HN.
Such as? Currently, the top comments are
> LLMs have certainly become extremely useful for Software Engineers
> LLMs are useful for programming in 2025
> Do LLMs make bad code: yes all the time (at the moment zero clue about good architecture). Are they still useful: yes, extremely so.
If your comment is not a strawman, show me where people actually claim what you say they do.