I mean, I know it. But the antipsychiatry/anti-ECT folks often do not know the answer to this question.

My “anti-ECT” stance is more that even modern ECT still has permanent side effects, “voluntary” does not have the standard meaning in in-patient psychiatry, and it is not impossible for a patient to have more or less every treatment thrown at their brain rather than contacting that patient's regular psychiatrist to get relevant context.

it would be of more interest personally to discuss the topic at hand itself rather than involve our personal opinions , so if you can't make your point another way this is where our ways part

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