The whole point is calling them “mental health problems” infers there is something systematically wrong with them as opposed to the obvious result of putting men in modern society.
> putting loneliness and depression on a pedestal here
Where is this happening?
Pointing out something is entirely normal, standard and expected is in not putting it on a pedestal.
You want to condemn them too, and I won’t. Their manifestation is a sign of other problems, as shown through history, and to paint them as mental illness is a way to avoid the other problems.
Where is this happening?
The whole point is calling them “mental health problems” infers there is something systematically wrong with them as opposed to the obvious result of putting men in modern society.
> ...loneliness and depression...
> All entirely standard male behaviors
> putting loneliness and depression on a pedestal here
Where is this happening?
Pointing out something is entirely normal, standard and expected is in not putting it on a pedestal.
You want to condemn them too, and I won’t. Their manifestation is a sign of other problems, as shown through history, and to paint them as mental illness is a way to avoid the other problems.
Previously you said they are basically traditional masculinity and what men always were. Now they are result of modern society?
A man lives by himself in the woods: is he lonely or depressed?
Are those the only two options? If you think the answer is yes then that suggests a moment of reflection.
I would suggest he is neither.
Maybe you should ask him?
It's entirely possible.