The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way.
The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”
The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way.
The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”
France has threatened us with the same actions they took against SkyECC and Encrochat if we do not cooperate by providing law enforcement access into devices. This was published via Le Parisien in one of their articles and through French state media. They're absolutely threatening us that way.
Can you link these publication containing threats here?
Might be under a gag order
Under gag order, but openly posting about the threats?
It is in third post in the thread: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775986937247
> Interviewed, she warns that she will “not stop pursuing publishers if links are discovered with a criminal organization and they [GrapheneOS] do not cooperate with justice.”
France has threatened us with the same actions they took against SkyECC and Encrochat if we do not cooperate by providing law enforcement access into devices. The actions they took against those were mass arrests and seizure of servers. We don't have cloud infrastructure for builds/signing but regardless we don't want the French state taking over our website, etc. so we're leaving France and OVH.
Did "links" mean "a criminal organization is involved in the project" or "a criminal organization is using the technology"?
I wonder if say some drug cartel was found to be donating money to graphene?
... And what if a competing mobile OS (say iOS or android) received payments or donations from said organization :-)
It's not clear what they mean by that in the threats they've made in multiple places but it's clearly a threat, and they're already lying about us. Therefore, we're leaving France including leaving OVH and not hiring people in France without them relocating first. Our most sensitive infrastructure is local but we don't want a state taking over our website and network services. We don't trust France and OVH to respect rule of law and human rights at this point. It's not a safe country for open source privacy projects and French companies cannot be trusted to even host a static website without hijacking it for French law enforcement.
French law enforcement is conflating companies making products with GrapheneOS code with GrapheneOS itself. They're presenting it as if those companies are working with us and that we're responsible for their actions selling devices using our code. Most of those are using forks of GrapheneOS with features we don't have which are repeatedly incorrectly referred to as being GrapheneOS features. GrapheneOS users can read the many articles and see many references to non-existent features. They similarly refer to non-existent distribution methods and marketing which are actually about these products they're conflating with us. Since they're conflating products and actions by other people with ours, that makes their threats very concerning.
GrapheneOS doesn't even currently bundle an end-to-end encrypted messaging app as we don't have our own and leave choosing third party apps up to users. We plan to make an RCS app with MLS to replace people using Google Messages via sandboxed Google Play but that's no different than what Apple and Google are working towards providing earlier. Even if Chat Control was already the law, we don't have Signal or a similar app bundled with the OS and don't currently distribute a hardened build via our App Store despite plans for it. We do distribute the sandboxed Play Store and Accrescent via our App Store which have end-to-end encrypted messaging apps available...
> We don't trust France and OVH to respect rule of law and human rights at this point. It's not a safe country for open source privacy projects and French companies cannot be trusted to even host a static website without hijacking it for French law enforcement.
VeraCrypt is French, too, iirc?
Probably the former. SkyECC, Encrochat, etc, were found to be deliberately sold to nontechnical drug lords for large amounts of money - as in, the project leads went out searching for drug lords and selling phones to them individually and offered to sell them 100 phones for $200 per month per phone. Drug empires have that sort of money. And they didn't sell to anyone else since nobody else has that sort of money.
It seems unlikely that GrapheneOS is the same way, since it's free, but you never know - maybe it is made for drug lords, and giving it away to the rest of us is just for plausible deniability.
This is not proven state action - this is hearsay. Maybe the GrapheneOS project should wait for the first warrant to arrive or police raid to happen before claiming what they currently do.
With the current evidence, its not ruled out that the french state is not doing anything at all.
Are you serious? A storm is heading towards you and you wanna just keep watching it until it hits you? Absolute bafoon
shouting that the situation is bad is not evidence, either.