We're talking about a need for a party that no longer exists in the US. Why would we not look to similar examples out there in actual practice?

this thread comes from a provocative quip that the democrats are conservative, with no mention whatsoever of any context other than america

Here’s some American context: a ~3 minute video. Bush and Reagan, during the primaries, trying to win over Republicans, answering a question about immigration.

https://youtu.be/YsmgPp_nlok

That’s what American conservatism used to look like. Modern Dems talk a lot like that.

Or even look at George @ Bush's calls for comprehensive immigration reform, and his repeated emphasis on treating all immigrants, legal or not, with dignity and courtesy: https://www.bushcenter.org/topics/immigration