Very fair point, and that cuts to the root of why I’m uncomfortable with it.
I mean, presumably they have the usage stats… except that plenty of enterprises deployed XSLT apps back in the day - it was on a massive portion of the job ads I was looking at in 2000 to 2002 - and I’d bet a chunk of those legacy systems are still running. I’d also bet a good chunk of those systems are running in the sort of orgs that won’t allow submission of telemetry to Google, so Google’s usage stats underreport real world usage.
To me it looks like zero effort has been made to engage with Mozilla, Apple, etc., on the right way forward here - just Google high-handedly making moves and abusing their position as per usual.
> To me it looks like zero effort has been made to engage with Mozilla, Apple, etc., on the right way forward here - just Google high-handedly making moves and abusing their position as per usual.
What would make you think that? The submission links prominently to the whatwg proposal github issue, which is the forum where that engagement would happen. It explicitly deep-links to Mozilla's and Apple's posts in that thread. It has the usage stats that you just presume exist.
It's like you just made up a scenario and posted it as facts with zero effort to verify any of it.
Very fair point, and that cuts to the root of why I’m uncomfortable with it.
I mean, presumably they have the usage stats… except that plenty of enterprises deployed XSLT apps back in the day - it was on a massive portion of the job ads I was looking at in 2000 to 2002 - and I’d bet a chunk of those legacy systems are still running. I’d also bet a good chunk of those systems are running in the sort of orgs that won’t allow submission of telemetry to Google, so Google’s usage stats underreport real world usage.
To me it looks like zero effort has been made to engage with Mozilla, Apple, etc., on the right way forward here - just Google high-handedly making moves and abusing their position as per usual.
> To me it looks like zero effort has been made to engage with Mozilla, Apple, etc., on the right way forward here - just Google high-handedly making moves and abusing their position as per usual.
What would make you think that? The submission links prominently to the whatwg proposal github issue, which is the forum where that engagement would happen. It explicitly deep-links to Mozilla's and Apple's posts in that thread. It has the usage stats that you just presume exist.
It's like you just made up a scenario and posted it as facts with zero effort to verify any of it.