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pansa2 4 days ago  [ - ]

I think I read that Wren's creator deliberately avoided "the metaclass hierarchy matches the class hierarchy" (as used in Smalltalk and taken to an extreme in Ruby [0]) because the authors of Smalltalk have come to regret that design?

I'd be interested to hear more details about the issues with that approach. I've not had any problems with it, and occasionally found it useful. For example, in one situation I needed a hierarchy of static constructors that matched the hierarchy of instance constructors.

[0] Ruby also has "the meta-metaclass hierarchy matches the metaclass hierarchy" and "the meta-meta-metaclass hierarchy..." ad infinitum. It's a beautiful design really - it means that in Ruby (unlike Smalltalk), it's always true that "the superclass of the metaclass is the metaclass of the superclass".

Edit: Here's the quote I was remembering:

> My hunch is that we don't want metaclass inheritance. From talking to a few old Smalltalkers, they generally consider it a mistake there. Also, Java, C++, C#, etc. have semantics more similar to not allowing metaclass inheritance (in other words, static methods aren't inherited), and it seems to work well there.

https://groups.google.com/g/wren-lang/c/LkKg51fEUg4/m/0GOK0P...

reactordev 4 days ago  [ - ]

Static method inheritance is one thing. Member method inheritance (or lack there of) makes it long in the tooth to work with if you want to represent covariant classes that share methods.

pansa2 4 days ago  [ - ]

Wren does have instance method inheritance. It's implemented differently from most scripting languages, though. The implementation is more like a statically-typed language, for performance reasons:

https://wren.io/performance.html#copy-down-inheritance

reactordev 3 days ago  [ - ]

So it does have:

    class A {
      construct new () {}
      thing(obj) {
         …
      }
    }

    class B is A {
       construct new () {}
    }

    B.new().thing(obj)
I’ll need to test this as this is what I want from my scripting language. If this works than wren will replace my Lua janky scripting.
pansa2 3 days ago  [ - ]

Yes:

https://wren.io/try/?code=MYGwhgzhAECC0G8BQ1rAPYDsIBcBOArsDt...

reactordev 3 days ago  [ - ]

Trying to update a field from a subclass and print the results doesn’t work.

    class A {
      name {
        _name
      }
      name=(value){
        _name=value
      }
      construct new () {
        _name = "hello"
      }
      thing() {
        System.print(name)
      }
    }

    class B is A {
      construct new () {}
      update(name){
        super.name = name
        return this
      }
    }

    var b = B.new()
    b.update("world").thing()
If you change System.print(name) to System.print(_name) it works but it doesn’t when using the getter. You get null when System.print(name) is called.

Same if you use this.name

pansa2 3 days ago  [ - ]

Your `name` getter isn't working properly. Weirdly, Wren's implicit returns only work for functions written on a single line.

The getter either needs to be (exactly) `name { _name }` or it needs to explicitly `return _name`.

https://wren.io/functions.html#returning-values

reactordev 2 days ago  [ - ]

That was it. Nuance in the “no new line after…” parsing. Thanks, it works now. Awesome!