Just shows you how absolutely little people know about the web ecosystem - most people heard something once or twice from someone else and just assume its true - to make matters worse, you have the typical HN "vanilla html and js only!!!" bandwagon which, if you try to use for any serious web application will only lead you down a path of much pain and suffering. I've commented many times in many other threads that I just don't get it; I probably never will.

Mate, don't get mad at us just because you can't code without a framework.

React was created to make low skilled people capable of shipping low quality code. If that is the only thing you can do, I'd be careful about calling yourself fullstackchris

Mate, real programmers use assembly.