>... but I still worry about backups.

For me, it's not just off-site backups, it's also the operational risks if I'm not around which I wrote about previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39526863

In addition to changing my mind about self-hosting email, my most recent adventure was self-hosting Bitwarden/Vaultwarden for passwords management. I got everything to work (SSL certificates, re-startable container scripts to survive server reboots, etc) ... but I didn't like the resultant complexity. There was also the random unreliability because a new iOS client would break Vaultwarden and you'd have to go to github and download the latest bugfix. There's no way for my friend to manage that setup. She didn't want to pay for a 1Passord subscription so we switched to KeePass.

I'm still personally ok with self-hosting some low-stakes software like a media server where outages don't really matter. But I'm now more risk-averse with self-hosting critical email and passwords.

EDIT to reply: >Bitwarden client works fine if server goes down, you just can't edit data

I wasn't talking about the scenario of a self-hosted Vaultwarden being temporarily down. (Although I also didn't like that the smartphone clients will only work for 30-days offline[1] which was another decision factor to not stay on it.)

Instead, the issue is Bitwarden will make some changes to both their iOS client and their own "official" Bitwarden servers which is incompatible with Vaultwarden. This happens because they have no reason to test it on an "unofficial" implementation such as Vaultwarden. That's when you go to the Vaultwarden Github "Issues" tab and look for a new git commit with whatever new Rust code makes it work with the latest iOS client again. It doesn't happen very frequently, but it happened often enough that it makes it only usable for a techie (like me) to babysit. I can't inflict that type of random broken setup on the rest of my family. Vaultwarden is not set-and-forget. (I'm also not complaining about Bitwarden or Vaultwarden and those projects are fine. I'm just being realistic about how the self-hosted setup can't work without my IT support.)

[1] Offline access in Bitwarden client only works for 30 days. : https://bitwarden.com/blog/configuring-bitwarden-clients-for...