Well it might be emotional if you're one of these people about to be sent to South Sudan
It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.
Either human beings have rights and deserve due process, or they don't.
People are reduced to the point of keeping airtags on them so loved ones and their lawyers can find them because the administration wants to hide them away.
>It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.
What does the fact that ICE is doing it to catch illegal matter? Because as far as I'm concerned ICE has no bearing on this. It's wrong no matter who does it or what their goals are.
Being an illegal is barely a crime. Whoops, you overstayed your visa, big fucking deal. If we are going to take issue with this sort of enforcement behavior used on such minor infractions then we need to do so on principal, because not giving a shit when it was used on drug dealers and terrorists and tax evaders and everything else that's "bad" is how we fucking got here.
I voted for it. Happy that rational Americans are now getting what we want despite the best efforts of those with poor judgment, who should never speak on policy.
I'm not trying to be combative here; genuinely would like to see things from "the other side" here and have a rational discussion. Using some specifics, I see the following as wrong:
1. Doing mass detentions and checking papers. Of course not literally through the entirety of a city, but do you agree this happens in mass at say home depot parking lots, construction sites etc, where ICE doesn't know who exactly is here illegally, so they detain everyone and check. This vs having a specific individual in mind and going to arrest that person.
2. Sending people to countries they have no ties to. CECOT for instance, where they're imprisoned indefinitely without a specific charge.
Do you agree these have happened? If so do you think they're ok?
Might help if you specify which views you don't share? The fact that slavery etc was legal or that they were wrong or that citizens should oppose them?
Well it might be emotional if you're one of these people about to be sent to South Sudan
It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.
Either human beings have rights and deserve due process, or they don't.
People are reduced to the point of keeping airtags on them so loved ones and their lawyers can find them because the administration wants to hide them away.
>It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.
What does the fact that ICE is doing it to catch illegal matter? Because as far as I'm concerned ICE has no bearing on this. It's wrong no matter who does it or what their goals are.
Being an illegal is barely a crime. Whoops, you overstayed your visa, big fucking deal. If we are going to take issue with this sort of enforcement behavior used on such minor infractions then we need to do so on principal, because not giving a shit when it was used on drug dealers and terrorists and tax evaders and everything else that's "bad" is how we fucking got here.
ICE is just particularly egregious example. But a lot of Federal agents on the ground are participating in Midway Blitz.
You're missing the point. No agency should be behaving this way over a paperwork crime.
It's not even a crime. It's an administrative infraction.
Majority of Americans want immigration law enforced. Democracy worked last November.
I voted for it. Happy that rational Americans are now getting what we want despite the best efforts of those with poor judgment, who should never speak on policy.
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I'm not trying to be combative here; genuinely would like to see things from "the other side" here and have a rational discussion. Using some specifics, I see the following as wrong:
1. Doing mass detentions and checking papers. Of course not literally through the entirety of a city, but do you agree this happens in mass at say home depot parking lots, construction sites etc, where ICE doesn't know who exactly is here illegally, so they detain everyone and check. This vs having a specific individual in mind and going to arrest that person.
2. Sending people to countries they have no ties to. CECOT for instance, where they're imprisoned indefinitely without a specific charge.
Do you agree these have happened? If so do you think they're ok?
> Really don't understand the hyper-emotional hyperbole around this topic.
If you can’t understand the emotion of being sent to a random country and being separated from your family, I can’t help you.
Nothing more rational than dismissing other viewpoints as astroturfing
> That's not happening
Yes it is [1].
[1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-...
Might help if you specify which views you don't share? The fact that slavery etc was legal or that they were wrong or that citizens should oppose them?
It was terrible that the Democrats opposed abolishing slavery.
Which modern political party waves confederate flags?