In terms of NAS, I have long wonder if there is a market for a combination of both online and offline. We will need at least 2 HDD for redundancy and to prevent bit riot. And the NAS will be sold as a whole package and subscription, with an encrypted backup services included for first 2 years and requires the backup subscription to work there after. The profit margin is first on the hardware and then on long tail backup which is charged like iCloud and Google storage per tier. Where your 1.5TB storage will be charged at 2TB storage.

Before 2014 I would have thought Apple to potentially take this route for Time Capsule. Instead they doubled down on iCloud. Google will never take this route. Microsoft is not interested. Amazon should have done this and bundled with cold storage back up but their track record are not good enough. I doubt people trust Meta enough even if the solution was perfect.

In pre 2012 you could at least bet on Apple to be somewhat customer centric.

May be UniFi will do it. They just announced their 2 Bay UNAS and I only just discovered, they are a 40B market cap company. ( I thought they were much smaller )

>with an encrypted backup services included for first 2 years and requires the backup subscription to work there after.

Its confusing if you mean the NAS will stop working if you stop paying for the subscription or not. If you can no longer access your data on the NAS without a subscription, then the NAS just becomes the cloud with an extra up front cost plus the cost of your own electricity.

Personally I have started moving as much of my data out of the cloud as possible. I've got a Synology and a few single board computers running various services with a Synology in my parent's home for their photos. Their photos back up to my NAS and my data to their Synology.

Its a shame Synology decided to enshitify this year for all products going forward, but UGreen looks like a suitable replacement when I outgrow my current NAS.

Synology sells cloud backup services for their NASes. And a bunch of other brands at least can easily connect to other services.

> for redundancy and to prevent bit riot

What are you doing to your hard drives that the bits are rioting?

BTRFS / ZFS.

You both wrote "bit riot" but meant "bit rot", right?

I've been running a RAIDZ2 NAS (with ECC RAM) for like 5 years with no data loss/corruption issues. Are you saying if it was just regular RAIDZ there would be data integrity issues?

>> And the NAS will be sold as a whole package and subscription...

Misses the point entirely.

Data will need Backup to be safe. You could tell everyday customer to get NAS and they wouldn't know what is Bit Riot until they saw their Image and Video with errors or broken. They also wouldn't do off site backup. Company wants long subscription model.

Right now everyone is only talking about options that are extreme in both ends.