> Okay... I thought you had something actually to contribute to the conversation

> You start off incredibly dismissive

You seem to think it is polite and reasonable to open a comment by being dismissive. I don't even think I was particularly dismissive, that would be reading a lot into two mildly disagreeable sentences.

> I mean maybe I'm wrong and missed some angle.

Well the conversation has manoeuvred to somewhere we neither of us are current on the topic, which is Java. I'm not sure why we're talking about Java, you can call Clojure libraries from Java, so there isn't anything Clojure can do that Java can't. Clojure is implemented in Java and Clojure protocols can be implemented on Java objects by proxying them.

It is difficult to say that Clojure has some magic trick Java doesn't under those conditions. Java has really good access to everything Clojure offers. Clojure's advantage is it organises what Java offers in a much more Senior-Engineer-friendly way that radically minimises complexity.