I'm glad to see a European company succeeding here, especially since Mistral has released open weights models. But you're deluding yourself if you think Mistral is any more moral than its American counterparts.
Taking the morality of a company on its own isn't how I look at it, it's also the context. You might be right that if Mistral was born in the U.S. instead of France it would do the same shady stuff Anthropic and OpenAI are doing, but it wasn't and therefore it isn't. As a result it's a company I personally can work with for now.
All or nothing mentally wont get you very far. You're digital device is probably made in China, but that doesn't mean you'll want to store your personal data in a Chinese data center. I try to choose European whenever possible and avoid or limit the use of American, Chinese, and Russian tech.
>It's easy to look virtuous when you have other countries handle the 'immoral' military stuff,[...] Europe is a 24-year old trust fund kid working in a vegan commune
Europe has a higher industrial output than the US. In Unterlüß a town of 3500 people, Rheinmetall makes about 50% as many 155mm shells as the entire US makes annually. There's a reason your trust fund metaphor takes place in Brooklyn.
You might also want to remember that article 5 was invoked once, and it wasn't by Europe.
Ahhh apparently Europe is more immoral than OP thought! Good job guys.
Kidding aside, if Europe is this hidden powerhouse as you claim, then its even more odd to be begging the Americans for defense support/leadership from across the Atlantic, and still be importing natural gas from the "evil" Russians while supposedly in a fight with them. Seems to undermine your point no?
> If we pretend history begins at 1991...ignore the colonialism, world wars, fascism, communism, genocide, and body counts collectively in the hundred millions...
Uhhh it isn't Europe taking all its bad news out of its museums, friend. That's the good ol' U.S.A. attempting to hide from its own history.
> Europe is a 24-year old trust fund kid working in a vegan commune while living in a $2M Brooklyn apartment paid for by her dad who is an executive at Exxon.
Most of the "europe-is-utopia" voices on this site are actually American euro-fetishists in SF/LA/NYC. So I felt it the American analogy is more fitting.
If I'm wrong though, the irony that the European tech community has to resort to a US message board to voice their opinions, only serves to further underline my point.
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Yeah, I could have definitely posited that in a way that didn't start a flame war
I'm glad to see a European company succeeding here, especially since Mistral has released open weights models. But you're deluding yourself if you think Mistral is any more moral than its American counterparts.
Taking the morality of a company on its own isn't how I look at it, it's also the context. You might be right that if Mistral was born in the U.S. instead of France it would do the same shady stuff Anthropic and OpenAI are doing, but it wasn't and therefore it isn't. As a result it's a company I personally can work with for now.
Or if Europe is
how you come you are helping ycombinator by posting here then?
All or nothing mentally wont get you very far. You're digital device is probably made in China, but that doesn't mean you'll want to store your personal data in a Chinese data center. I try to choose European whenever possible and avoid or limit the use of American, Chinese, and Russian tech.
It is good to provide viewpoints opposing the imperialist propaganda that is frequently being spread here.
thank you for your service.
Activity here costs ycombinator too.
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Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.
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>It's easy to look virtuous when you have other countries handle the 'immoral' military stuff,[...] Europe is a 24-year old trust fund kid working in a vegan commune
Europe has a higher industrial output than the US. In Unterlüß a town of 3500 people, Rheinmetall makes about 50% as many 155mm shells as the entire US makes annually. There's a reason your trust fund metaphor takes place in Brooklyn.
You might also want to remember that article 5 was invoked once, and it wasn't by Europe.
Ahhh apparently Europe is more immoral than OP thought! Good job guys.
Kidding aside, if Europe is this hidden powerhouse as you claim, then its even more odd to be begging the Americans for defense support/leadership from across the Atlantic, and still be importing natural gas from the "evil" Russians while supposedly in a fight with them. Seems to undermine your point no?
> If we pretend history begins at 1991...ignore the colonialism, world wars, fascism, communism, genocide, and body counts collectively in the hundred millions...
Uhhh it isn't Europe taking all its bad news out of its museums, friend. That's the good ol' U.S.A. attempting to hide from its own history.
> Europe is a 24-year old trust fund kid working in a vegan commune while living in a $2M Brooklyn apartment paid for by her dad who is an executive at Exxon.
What a very ... American analogy.
Most of the "europe-is-utopia" voices on this site are actually American euro-fetishists in SF/LA/NYC. So I felt it the American analogy is more fitting.
If I'm wrong though, the irony that the European tech community has to resort to a US message board to voice their opinions, only serves to further underline my point.
> Uhhh it isn't Europe taking all its bad news out of its museums, friend.
Yes they proudly fill their museums to the brim with colonial loot. So Europeans can reminisce about good old days when they were the top dog.