Time to move to self hosted messaging platforms or go back to GPG encrypted messages.

And politicians complain that democracy is losing it's appeal! What's the difference between what the EU wants to do and what is being done in autocracies like China and Russia?

Snooping on all messages and conversations, even the Stasi did not have this much power!

> Time to move to self hosted messaging platforms or go back to GPG encrypted messages.

That works only if all your contacts are technically educated enough. It's more important to look for political solutions than technical workarounds. We need to protect the communication of everyone by preventing this law from passing.

> It's more important to look for political solutions than technical workarounds. We need to protect the communication of everyone by preventing this law from passing.

More important, yes, but we still need the technical workarounds, and to educate people about them, for when preventing these laws ultimately fail. It's becoming crystal clear that "we the people" have no power anymore, and the way we can take some of that power back is by not participating in their laws - self hosting, use services outside of the jurisdictions where backdoors are mandatory, educating and helping others do the same.

Make the internet a digital no man's land. Make alternative networks, stuff like Yggdrasil and meshtastic.

When preventing the laws from passing fails, we still need to make it as difficult as possible to enforce.

> More important, yes, but we still need the technical workarounds, and to educate people about them, for when preventing these laws ultimately fail.

I agree. But for now, we still have a window of opportunity to stop the law on the political level.

Nothing can stop the ratchet like progress clamping down on information control. These policies have been war gammed by think tanks decades in advance. The enemy is vast and deep with the control of nearly every nation-state on earth.

The overwhelming majority will be swept into a Neo-Dark Ages where truth is locked away and Dogma rules supreme. For a time the lockdown will be universal and complete but after the system is in place for a time I believe people will find a solution and break off the shackles.

There is no political solution in sight when even the countries that have been subjugated to the the horrors of communism and the secret police have decided that this is good thing.

If even these states agree that surveilling their entire population 24/7 after 50 years of communist rule is good then where do you see a political solution emerge from?

You would think that Eastern European countries would have learned their lesson but no, it seems that we are just trading one surveillance state for another.

It doesn't matter what you use. It is your device that will be doing the snooping - i.e. client-side scanning

The CSS in the proposal is implemented on an app level, like Whatsapp or Signal does the detection before sending the encrypted message, not at the OS level.

If you use an app that connects to your own xmpp server, there will be no snopping.

Same if you encrypt your message and post it in Whatsapp.

I'm worried that as soon as this is implemented, someone will make a patched version of the signal client which doesn't do the scanning, and soon after all the affected apps will be forced by law to use remote attestation like Play Integrity.

Signal said that they will the EU market if push comes to shove, so there won't be a Signal client to patch because there won't be a Signal app.

There will still be an APK which can be sideloaded, and you could continue to use it through a VPN.