Frankly, no. As an obvious example that can be stated nowadays: musk has always been an over-promising liar.
Eg just look at the 2012+ videos of thunderf00t.
Yet people were literally banned here just for pointing out that he hasn't actually delivered on anything in the capacity he promised until he did the salute.
It's pointless to list other examples, as this page is- as dingnuts pointed out - exactly the same and most people aren't actually willing to change their opinion based on arguments. They're set in their opinions and think everyone else is dumb.
> Yet people were literally banned here just for pointing out that he hasn't actually delivered on anything in the capacity he promised until he did the salute.
I'd be shocked if they (you?) were banned just for critiquing Musk. So please link the post. I'm prepared to be shocked.
I'm also pretty sure that I could make a throwaway account that only posted critiques of Musk (or about any single subject for that matter) and manage to keep it alive by making the critiques timely, on-topic and thoughtful or get it banned by being repetitive and unconstructive. So would you say I was banned for talking about <topic>? Or would you say I was banned for my behavior while talking about <topic>?
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Aside from the fact that I highly doubt anyone was banned as you describe, EM’s stories have gotten more and more grandiose. So it’s not the same.
Today he’s pitching moonshot projects as core to Tesla.
10 years ago he was saying self-driving was easy, but he was also selling by far the best electric vehicle on the market. So lying about self driving and Tesla semis mattered less.
Fwiw I’ve been subbed to tf00t since his 50 part creationist videos in early 2010s.
I don’t see how that example refutes their point. It can be true both that there have been disagreeable bans and that the bans, in general, tend to result in higher quality discussions. The disagreeable bans seem to be outliers.
> They're set in their opinions and think everyone else is dumb.
Well, anyway, I read and post comments here because commenters here think critically about discussion topics. It’s not a perfect community with perfect moderation but the discussions are of a quality that’s hard to find elsewhere, let alone reddit.