I think it's important not to make things too black and white. Certainly it's difficult to put in place or even define a perfectly fair world. However, that doesn't mean that we can't make things more fair.

Of course, that's the reality of it - fairness is iterative and reactive. My questions are:

- Do you think DEI was the right path forward? Did it achieve its goals? If not was that because of counter currents or something else?

- If and when we have "perfect DEI" will we declare the world a fair place? If not, what comes next?