> Nothing keeps us for helping boys in some sectors and women in others
In theory, perhaps, but in practice nothing is being done to help boys. In fact, DEI programs in universities continue to favor young women even as they approach 60% of students.
We're all familiar with Girls Who Code, Women in STEM, and similar organizations. Where are equivalent organizations for young men?
Would it even be possible to start such an organization without being ostracized as a bigot?
Here's a story I was listening to today about a program at an all-boys school trying to address the growing prevalence of loneliness, depression, and bad behavior in school.
https://www.haverford.org/the-big-room-blog/blog-post/~board...
Where are the equivalent for young men? Literally all of the other hackathons ever. Girls who Code arose because of toxic men chasing girls and women out of those spaces. Women worked tirelessly for decades to make these spaces happen. Men just want to whine about it because to actually address the issue is too “woke”. I’m sorry you created your prison, but don’t look to us to bail you out while you’re punching us down for not helping.
It reminds me of the white supremacists raging about Black Miss America pageants for existing. But they were ignorant of the fact that the official Miss America pageant had a rule that said “no negroes” up until 1972-73.
> ... toxic men chasing girls and women out ... Men just want to whine ... while you’re punching us down .... reminds me of the white supremacists
Thank you for providing an example of the hostility faced by anyone who even raises the issue, let alone tries to improve things.
You’re not improving things. You’re trying to take away things that make the world better.
If you stuck to programs that help boys - yes they exist - maybe you’d have a moral leg to stand on.
Discriminating against some people for the benefit of others does not make the world better. And that's all DEI is.
I have no problem with programs that benefit students. All students. (Likewise workers - all workers.)
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> In theory, perhaps, but in practice nothing is being done to help boys.
Untrue. There’s a ton of work being done on how to better support boys in school.
> In fact, DEI programs in universities continue to favor young women even as they approach 60% of students.
What are these DEI programs favoring university admission for young women?
Here's the opinion of the Society for Women Engineers:
> Cutting these [DEI] programs means fewer resources for students that need support. It’s devastating for women
https://swe.org/magazine/dei-faces-rising-waters/
That's an admission that DEI in schools supports women, from some of its biggest advocates. Where are the programs to support boys in school?
Edit: Of course, the mere existence of the Society for Women Engineers, AAUW, and other groups focused on women in education, without comparable groups for men, is another example of the phenomenon.
They're a remnant of a time when they were necessary, now favoring the group that has not only caught up, but taken the lead.
Women are not close to even 50% of engineering students or industry or academic engineers yet you go after society of women engineers?
Let's flip it - nursing, where men are a minority:
https://www.aamn.org/
Oh look, a society dedicated to men in nursing. This is completely reasonable. The idea to go from "women are most of college graduates" to "society of women engineers should not exist" is insane.
> without comparable groups for men
Did you even try?
https://www.naesp.org/resource/male-models/
It's a serious topic in education, yes it's a thing people care about.
I studied with and was friends with women in my computer engineering major, SWE helped connect them with industry engineers who could speak about what it was like being a women in engineering.
That's an admission that a group focused on women is concerned with the impacts of issues on women.
Is there a society for Men Engineers that is concerned with the impacts of issues on men?