I came to the same sort of conclusion when watching Kitsune, which I think was one person and VEO https://vimeo.com/1047370252

Granted, 5 minutes isn't 1h30 but it's not a million miles away either.

It's fantastic.

I just watched Kitsune, thanks for sharing.

It reminds me why Flow was so good.

Flow was great because I could see the shader artifacts. It was the opposite of a Disney model, it was not polished and perfect.

That's why I loved it. Disney would never do a movie with a plot like Flow. They would write and rewrite it and it would be a perfect example of humanity, but totally devoid of the humanity behind it.

It is ironic that this new coming wave of AI generated (or AI assisted) films feel like they have more human craftmanship than Disney films, when honestly it is the opposite. Disney has incredible and brilliant animators, but that is all crushed behind the merchandising and gross behemoth of the Disney corporation.

I used to love seeing independent films. Those art house theaters really only exist in places like Portland, OR these days. But, I'm excited about the next wave of film because it'll permit small storytelling, and that's going to be great.

Kitsune is great!

I've been a VideoFX tester, and have made a couple of five minute shorts. You end up having to generate a lot of shots that you throw away. This is a lot easier to bear if you are tester without really strict monthly limits, or having to pay to get past them.

Also, there are all sorts of things you have to juggle or sidestep related to character consistency and sound synchronization. They'll be also sorts of improvements there, but I suspect getting to 90 minutes isn't really a question of spending more time and generations. Right now I think a strong option for solo aspiring AI film makers is to work on a number of small projects, to master the art, and tackle longer projects when the tooling is better.

Damn, that's impressive. Probably the first AI movie I've seen where you have to look pretty hard for the glitches: as usual, leg motion gives it away, but even then only occasionally when there's a lot else going on.

This actually so amateurish and cliche it's painful. The fact people like this shows that art never had a chance when the masses have no taste. This makes me depressed for artists and the future.

Observations like these remind me of The Académie des Beaux-Arts in France, and more specifically its official Salon (the Salon de Paris), keeping Impressionist painters out of established exhibitions.

Yes because generating "art" that is entirely stealing from the hard work and actual dedication put forth by real artists is anything like the expressionist movement in the 20th century.

Well sure, but we're in the early stages here smashing bones together. When a few million bored teenagers bang at this, I bet you'll see perspectives you've never thought of. It'd be like having someone in the 1920's listen to Nirvana - just a completely different experience.

Given the dreck coming out of Hollywood, I'm open to that, even if other folks have to wade through a million shitty videos for me to get it.

It won't be novel the 100th or 1000th or millionth time, and standards will rise accordingly. But for now it is, or at least 2 months ago it was.

Someone created that relatively coherent 5min animated story largely by communicating with a computer in natural language.

The masses have had plenty worse

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> This actually so amateurish and cliche it's painful. The fact people like this shows that art never had a chance when the masses have no taste. This makes me depressed for artists and the future.

This kind of rhetoric can best be summed up by one meme: "It's the children who are wrong"

Spouting off "unwashed masses" prose will only make people hate (snobs + critics + artists by proxy) more, if you're not willing to do your part and stop shooting down beginning attempts as "amateurish and cliche".

Actually say, **in words**, what directions & improvements can be made.