My read is that the poster felt that the accounting practices, which were likely legal and commonplace, violated implied contractual obligations.
My read is that the poster felt that the accounting practices, which were likely legal and commonplace, violated implied contractual obligations.
That’s correct, I don’t believe anything illegal was done but certain things were done to dilute the employee share class which didn’t dilute founder shares. Just start reading about preferred stocks and you will realize they can basically be blank cheques to have any value and have voting rights to issue as much other common stock as they want.
Additionally there was some liberty on what “sale price” actually was in the contract. This may be common operation, but the sale price according to my contract was much lower than the amount of dollars which was exchanged for the company.
There’s also a lot of plain fraud in private tech companies.
It's technically legal -- the best kind of legal!
No. Fuck that shit. When the spirit of the law and the letter of the law conflict, I want us as humans to be able to step back and say that, hey, it doesn't make sense when you put it that way, and ignore the rules and do what's actually right.
As someone living in a country with common law and having taking business law 101 (so certainly NAL) this sometimes ends up being a bit of a guessing game as to how a judge will interpret jurisprudence.
There's a lot of room for improvement in legal systems and they move extremely slow due to the political nature of things.
wouldn't you rather the 50/50 chance for some _seemingly_ impartial person to intepret a deal, than have to pay a lawyer more than somethings worth to enforce some complex 500 page word salad to keep a business run by a person whose dones this hundreds of times before?
totally, which is why we go to a jury of peers for things
Ah yes the cornerstone of any stable judiciary - "ignore the rules and do [what I want]."
Sometimes what the contract says and what the contract _looks_ like it says to a layman can read very different.
- Granted $500k of stock on start, and then have it diluted as stock is added for new investors
- Hollywood accounting - net vs gross
There's lot of places where a contract can be represented as one thing, only to have it be far less than that.
Then it is a poorly written contract, and the party that agreed to it was tricked or poorly advised. Plain and simple. We see this often with "fast and loose" term sheets for some corporate and sovereign bonds on less reliable names. There is a whole podcast (I forget the name at this very moment) that does nothing but discuss dubious bond contracts. Frequently, the co-hosts will ask: "Who in their right mind would agree to such a contract? This clause is totally unenforceable / provides no protection against event X/Y/Z." And, yet, these contracts still exist in the wild.
Dumb question: Do you think the average dev in Silicon Valley pays a third-party employment contract lawyer to review the terms and conditions before agreeing? Sadly, I feel the answer is "no". Speaking personally, I would never agree to such complex employment compensation terms without third-party advice. Yes, I know it is not cheap (maybe 500 USD per hour), but the alternative looks much worse, and most people here facing these contracts can afford it.
> Then it is a poorly written contract, and the party that agreed to it was tricked or poorly advised.
Well, yes? I mean, we're talking about a situation where one of the parties involved in the contract isn't acting in good faith. And people frequently can't understand contracts. Is there anything surprising about the fact that someone was misled or "tricked" in such a situation?
> There is no way that any sound contract law will grant any weight to the term "implied".
Nobody is suggesting that any law would.
> Either it is written (and agreed) or not.
Yet you managed to infer things that weren't in the post.
> So, I would say anything that is not explicit is meaningless in term of contract law.
Again, where is anybody saying anything to the contrary?
If I say I'll give you 50% of the revenue we generate, and then the details of the contract allow me to bring on other people with the same deal of 50% of the revenue, and then you all share 50% it would likely feel unfair.
I'd say that phrase means 'consideration' in some cases, and in any case something like 'reasonable expectation', which would enter into the 'meeting of minds' prerequisite of contract law.
Banana republics like almost all countries with Civil Law rather than Common Law? And also, you know, some US states and the UCC?
The doctrine that anything not explicit is meaningless in contract law is also referred to as 'the four corners' referring to where you look to interpret the contract; this is considerably relaxed in many jurisdictions (and some situations in the US) where there is considerable information asymmetry and/or power imbalance between parties. With employment contracts in particular; to be a good coder for instance, why would you need to know how dilution of options works? Only to avoid being mislead by your prospective employer?
Conversely, in Civil Law jurisdictions, you see that corporations (rather than employees/consumers and sometimes small businesses) are mostly held to the four corners of the contract as they are professional parties that have legal departments and should be presumed to do their due diligence.