> What makes it rightwing propaganda is taking these cases and claiming that it would explain why people don't want to work anymore
I still don't agree it's right wing propaganda. Bürgergeld is just one part of a larger picture of why people don't want to work anymore. The reality is that social welfare in its entirety is too close to what you can earn with low skilled work, wages are too low and benefits are too high and cut off too suddenly.
> It's not the amount, as in 99% of scenarios being on state welfare completely sucks in Germany
Again, I can not confirm. I have lived on state welfare (Hartz IV) for my entire life before moving out of my parents.
> it's the scenario of not having enough money for food at the end of the month, being scared to heat in the winter and each unforeseen bill a mayor crisis.
This is not true in my experience. I don't know where you're getting this information from. Heating costs were always covered unless you heat like a maniac and unforseen bills are not happening. Where should they? Your apartment and car fixing costs are covered. You can read more about this here: [1]
> Also, it is also not okay to not mention that bürgergeld is still combined with sanctions. If not taking up (usual shitty ) work it can be lost, or missing a summoning, etc. Being in that system is thus highly stressful. Those sanctions were supposed to go away, instead they were made harder. Thanks SPD.
Why shouldn't they take up shitty work? It's not undignified. My mother stocked shelves for Aldi. She worked gas stations. She did community work. She couldn't hold a job for long. It's hard work and that's okay. You don't have the right to dodge shitty work just because you don't think it's gratifying. It's also not as stressful as you make it out to be. You have to remember, you're still getting so much stuff for free there are millions of people who would die for that chance. A little stress still makes it worth it.
Yes, you need to be smart with money. That's okay. Welfare should not make for a live of comfortable spending. But people don't live in a state of desolation. The point of welfare is to enable people who can't work to live a dignified live. Not a comfortable one. We're just so out of touch in Germany, people on our welfare system can't see their incredible privilege.
[1]: https://www.inside-digital.de/news/buergergeld-jobcenter-bez....
> This is not true in my experience. I don't know where you're getting this information from. Heating costs were always covered unless you heat like a maniac and unforseen bills are not happening. Where should they? Your apartment and car fixing costs are covered. You can read more about this here: [1]
That does not fit together at all. The article is covering a legal decision from 2020 where one woman forced the jobcenter to cover car repair costs. So before, it was not covered. So you just did not have a childhood in the system where stuff like this was covered.
> Why shouldn't they take up shitty work? It's not undignified.
That's not the point. The claim above was that you can comfortable live on Bürgergeld without having to work. Which you usually can't, since it would be taken away (or at least significantly reduced) if you tried that.
> The reality is that social welfare in its entirety is too close to what you can earn with low skilled work
So which other social welfare systems than Bürgergeld are you aiming at here?
> That does not fit together at all. The article is covering a legal decision from 2020 where one woman forced the jobcenter to cover car repair costs. So before, it was not covered. So you just did not have a childhood in the system where stuff like this was covered.
I did, but we did not experience this specific case. I lived in a small town and the Government paid for my public transport costs. They do provide a car as well if you need it for work or for educational purposes. They also pay for transport if you're sick and need to see a doctor. Of course, if you're on welfare with a car without a need for a car, they won't cover anything, which is fair.
> That's not the point. The claim above was that you can comfortable live on Bürgergeld without having to work. Which you usually can't, since it would be taken away (or at least significantly reduced) if you tried that.
I've not said this once.
> So which other social welfare systems than Bürgergeld are you aiming at here?
I'm asking again, are you even German? There are lots of other opportunities which we do provide. We pay for your Apartment with Wohngeld, even if you do work and don't earn enough. We pay for your healthcare costs. We pay for school supplies, trips and education costs for children. In my city, there are a lot of subsidised offers like free access to public pools. You have access to free TV and internet if you're on welfare. You can get a free social carer who will manage your expenses, if you yourself are not able.
I am not trying to be rude, but you're again discussing from a point of severe misinformation and you're lacking crucial knowledge about how our system works. You've been corrected multiple times in this thread for spreading misinformation, like heating costs not being covered by the government.
It's the other way around. You seem to take your information from the AFD or FDP bubble and are thus thoroughly misinformed in how the system works and what effect it has on the people under it. I did not react to your question for my nationality as it's ad hominem. Be assured that I know german politics and social systems perfectly well.
You ignore which limits and obligations are placed under the bürgergeld system, and how stiffling the bureaucracy is. For example, yes, Schuldbedarf is covered, but only up to an amount. Depending on the school that can be not enough, and then be a big problem. You also implied (and even said directly) that aids like Wohngeld and Bürgergeld can be combined, which is wrong.
> They do provide a car as well if you need it for work or for educational purposes
I just linked you to an article showing that they did not.
>> That's not the point. The claim above was that you can comfortable live on Bürgergeld without having to work. Which you usually can't, since it would be taken away (or at least significantly reduced) if you tried that.
> I've not said this once.
It is impossible to read your comments without seeing that this is what you want to say. You also directly agreed with comments saying the same. I quoted you already on that.