Why is it impossible to use wind and solar for ships? I mean, most of our history, ships used wind.

Sails are great, but they are incompatible with the way we load and unload ships now. Ports are designed around unobstructed access from the top. Maybe you could make it work with tankers, but people are risk averse with those. Also sail ships need a lot of crew to handle the sails.

Some shipping companies are experimenting with other ways to use wind. You can deploy kites to pull the ship, but that brings some operational challenges. The more promising idea are probably flettner rotors [1]. Those look like big spinning columns and work on the Magnus effect (how wind puts a 90 degree force on spinning objects). Their limited footprint makes them easy to integrate into existing designs, and since all they do is spin they are easy to use with the small crews of todays ships.

All of those modern ideas are mostly for reducing fuel consumption though, not replacing the engine entirely.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship

I suspect we're quite close to ships switching to wind simply because it's cheaper.

Huge kilometer square kites would be pretty cheap compared to the fuel budget of a ship, and clever routing and control systems can probably mean they reduce fuel consumption 80% for the same travel speed.

> The kite in question has been named Seawing, and may help ships reduce their fuel emissions by between 10 and 40 percent

Not KM but 822m seems pretty close. I think you’re grossly overestimating the benefit from the kite. Seating’s current website says:

> A 1000m² sail surface to harness the power of the wind and tow ships. Based on modelling and preliminary land-based tests, Airseas estimates that the Seawing system can reduce fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 20%.

I don’t think better routing will increase that to 80% even if you combine it with next gen tech that knows wave patterns and when a slot will be available to minimize speed and energy loss.

We need a path to remove fossil fuels from ships (& planes). There’s also industrial applications that need high heat that solar can’t really accomplish. Finally, solar & wind need insane battery capacity which when included pushes the economics strongly back in favor of fission and fusion.

One idea for high heat industrial requirements is to move those factory locations to places with geothermal power (like Iceland).

We won't see discussions on that until we're serious about cutting fossil fuels.

On its face that seems like a pretty ridiculous suggestion when the alternative is to just build nuclear power plants which don’t have any real geographic considerations and thus can be built next to existing factories that are already built around such things.