> I would think that sort of framing implies that the government gives them permission to exist.

> Rather than, the natural state is that they exist unless they do something bad enough to be shut down.

JFC, come on. Corporations are legal entities and have no existence separate from the law. If they even have a natural state, that natural state is non-existence.

> If they even have a natural state, that natural state is non-existence

A corporation is a legal fiction that describes an association of people. The association is real and has a natural state. The corporate existence does not. (Analogous: a house is real. Land is real. Property is a social construct.)

This is exactly my point that you articulated in way fewer words, thanks.

> All corporations are devoid of inherent nature.

> There is no inherent nature whatsoever.

> What is inherently existing is empty.

> What is empty is inherently existing.

Nāgārjuna vs Delaware

Yeah I think we're splitting hairs and actually aren't in any sort of disagreement here. I 100% agree that you have to be registered on paper with a government entity to get all the legal protections, insurance, etc etc etc. I've been a business owner for nearly 20 years. Like, a real business, with real paperwork and insurance and all that.

I'm thinking of all the unofficial mom and pops that transact and do business every day without having a proper legal entity. so it's more of a "does that count as a business even if they didn't file articles of incorporation?" of course it does, as far as its customers are concerned.

Think of the idea of "this guy has a lawn care business, I pay him every week to mow my lawn for 10 years", as far as his customers are concerned, he didn't need to get permission from the government to start doing that. And this sort of thing happens all the time.

I am NOT arguing whether a business where you filed articles is a legal entity, etc. There's no question that they are.

Hope that clarifies my point.

I mean, if Sam Altman wants to run OpenAI as individual proprietorship, without the limited liability that corporate shield gives, he's totally welcome to do so, and that would require far less paperwork.