Edit: For clarity, wikipedia does also have pages with other meanings of "bare metal", including "bare metal server". The above link is what you get if you just look up "bare metal".
I do aim to be some combination of clear, accurate and succinct, but I very often seem to end up in these HN pissing matches so I suppose I'm doing something wrong. Possibly the mistake is just commenting on HN in itself.
Seems there is a difference between "Bare Metal" and "Bare Machine".
I'm not sure what you did, but when you go to that Wikipedia article, it redirects to "Bare Machine", and the article contents is about "Bare Machine". Clicking the link you have sends you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_machine
So it seems like you almost intentionally shared the article that redirects, instead of linking to the proper page?
There is nothing that needs fixing? Both my link and yours give the same "primary" definition for "bare metal". Which is not unequivocally the correct definition, but it's the one I and the person I was replying to favour.
I thought my link made the point a bit better. I think maybe you've misunderstood something about how Wikipedia works, or about what I'm saying, or something. Which is OK, but maybe you could try to be a bit more polite about it? Or charitable, to use your own word?
Edit: In case this part isn't obvious, Wikipedia redirects are managed by Wikipedia editors, just like the rest of Wikipedia. Where the redirect goes is as much an indication of the collective will of Wikipedia editors as eg. a disambiguation page. I don't decide where a request for the "bare metal" page goes, that's Wikipedia.
Edit2: Unless you're suggesting I edited the redirect page? The redirect looks to have been created in 2013, and hasn't been changed since.
In similar way I once worked on a financial system, where a COBOL-powered mainframe was referred to as "Backend", and all other systems around it written in C++, Java, .NET, etc. since early 80s - as "Frontend".
Had somewhat similar experience, the first "frontend" I worked on was a sort of proxy server that sat in front of a database basically, meant as a barrier for other applications to communicate via. At one point we called the client side web application "frontend-frontend" as it was the frontend for the frontend.
I don't work in firmware at all, but I'm working next to a team now migrating an application from VMs to K8S, and they refer to the VMs as "bare metal" which I find slightly cringeworthy - but hey, whatever language works to communicate an idea.
I'm not sure I've ever heard bare metal used to refer to virtualized instances. (There were debates around Type 1 and Type 2 (hosted) hypervisors at one point but haven't heard that come up in years.
As someone who does material science, it's funny how our definition of "bare metal" is so different.
As someone who listens to loud rock and roll music …
Ask an astronomer what a “metal” is.
Wikipedia still thinks it means the thing I (and presumably you) do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_metal
Edit: For clarity, wikipedia does also have pages with other meanings of "bare metal", including "bare metal server". The above link is what you get if you just look up "bare metal".
I do aim to be some combination of clear, accurate and succinct, but I very often seem to end up in these HN pissing matches so I suppose I'm doing something wrong. Possibly the mistake is just commenting on HN in itself.
Seems there is a difference between "Bare Metal" and "Bare Machine".
I'm not sure what you did, but when you go to that Wikipedia article, it redirects to "Bare Machine", and the article contents is about "Bare Machine". Clicking the link you have sends you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_machine
So it seems like you almost intentionally shared the article that redirects, instead of linking to the proper page?
I indeed deliberately pasted a link that shows what happens when you try to go to the Wikipedia page for "bare metal".
Right, slightly misleading though, as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server is a separate page.
Yes, but if you look up "bare metal" it goes to the page about actual bare metal (aka "bare machines" or whatever).
Can we stop this now? Please?
> Yes, but if you look up "bare metal" it goes to the page about actual bare metal (or bare machines or whatever).
Fix it then, if you think it's incorrect. Otherwise, link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_metal_(disambiguation) like any normal and charitable commentator would do.
> Can we stop this now? Please?
Sure, feel free to stop at any point you want to.
There is nothing that needs fixing? Both my link and yours give the same "primary" definition for "bare metal". Which is not unequivocally the correct definition, but it's the one I and the person I was replying to favour.
I thought my link made the point a bit better. I think maybe you've misunderstood something about how Wikipedia works, or about what I'm saying, or something. Which is OK, but maybe you could try to be a bit more polite about it? Or charitable, to use your own word?
Edit: In case this part isn't obvious, Wikipedia redirects are managed by Wikipedia editors, just like the rest of Wikipedia. Where the redirect goes is as much an indication of the collective will of Wikipedia editors as eg. a disambiguation page. I don't decide where a request for the "bare metal" page goes, that's Wikipedia.
Edit2: Unless you're suggesting I edited the redirect page? The redirect looks to have been created in 2013, and hasn't been changed since.
In similar way I once worked on a financial system, where a COBOL-powered mainframe was referred to as "Backend", and all other systems around it written in C++, Java, .NET, etc. since early 80s - as "Frontend".
Had somewhat similar experience, the first "frontend" I worked on was a sort of proxy server that sat in front of a database basically, meant as a barrier for other applications to communicate via. At one point we called the client side web application "frontend-frontend" as it was the frontend for the frontend.
I don't work in firmware at all, but I'm working next to a team now migrating an application from VMs to K8S, and they refer to the VMs as "bare metal" which I find slightly cringeworthy - but hey, whatever language works to communicate an idea.
I'm not sure I've ever heard bare metal used to refer to virtualized instances. (There were debates around Type 1 and Type 2 (hosted) hypervisors at one point but haven't heard that come up in years.